also i sketched this tiny thing while watching the ep
ohmypreciousgirl said: oh that episode was great and then end JOANLOCK TEARS EVERYWHERE JFC
FUCKING SCUBA-DIVING IN JOANLOCK TEARS NATY
"you don’t have to say it, i know what you’re thinking"
"none of this would’ve happened without you"
AND HER FACE WHEN SHE WAS TEASING HIM ABOUT HIS ~~COLLAGE~~ JUST
UGH THESE JERKS.
omg joan *tracked down* a specialist on her own and got her to work on the case (a case she’s basically doing for FUN) ugh hearts in my eyes
omg that post is like a rat trap for terrible opinions.
I find it funny that they claim that the Classic Who fans are whiny, when the only whiny fans I’ve ever encountered have been the teeny-boppers who don’t know anything pre-Eccleston. There’s a reason that one of the cards in Cards Against Humanity is “new who fans who are butthurt that the new Doctor isn’t in his twenties”.
also, about the doctor specifically: i feel that people tend to forget that the doctor’s worst never came from a COLD place. on the contrary, the doctor’s worst came from caring TOO MUCH, from being so able to empathize with aliens and humans and every living thing that made him want to save and help everyone at any cost.
that’s what happens to ten in waters of mars! he makes a terrible decision and arrogantly attempts to take control of the laws of time because he CAN’T BEAR the idea of leaving more people to die. because he’s sad and hurted by everyone he’s lost before, and then he meets adelaide and admires her bravery and strenght so much, and thinks it’s so fucking unfair that after everything he’s seen and done, he can’t do a thing to help this woman.
and then he stops and thinks and decided that you know what? no. after all this time he doesn’t deserve to see this happening again. and he makes a WRONG decision, but not a cold one by any means. it’s a decision driven by rage and sadness that only happened because, again, like i said, he cares so much. it’s a SELFISH act, not a CRUEL one. and it’s not born out of desire for destruction and suffering, but out of a desperate wish to avoid any of this because he can’t take it anymore. he’s broken.
the fact that people look back at this and think that what we’re supposed to get from this episode is that the doctor is a bastard is absurd. and to compare it with eleven’s actions in day of the moon is just downright ridiculous, because what happens in dotm that stands out to me so much is precisely how LITTLE eleven cares. he murders an entire race without giving them a chance, without asking them what they need, without even one moment of reflection or regret about what he’s doing. in fact, he cheerfully helps river shoots the silence, making silly jokes with her during all the time. he downright pretends to offer them a chance and then mocks them for believing it. and during all of this, not in one moment the episode makes an attempt to even make the viewer consider that this is not supposed to be a good thing.
and i think that’s a seriously terrible failure not only of characterisation, but of the message of the show as a whole.
this discussion about eleven reminds me there’s probably no trend in fandom that i hate more than the whole “this heroic and kind-hearted protagonist has ALWAYS BEEN a fucking cruel and disgusting asshole, where have you been?! that’s what makes his character interesting! good people are boring!” thing.
i perfectly understand that some character are indeed morally grey and more interesting to watch when they’re being terrible people, but why would i want to CHEER for a guy whom i completely despise as a person? what’s the fucking point?
and like specially for battle-driven stories where the protagonist is always fighting and facing horrible threats, it’s so much more admirable to me that a person in this context would attempt to do the right thing and to help others than just stop giving a fuck.
because caring isn’t easy! it’s actually hard as a fuck! most of the tragic things that affects me in my favourite stories is when characters are faced with how tough being kind in a cruel context can be, and still they attempt to be it anyway. a good person becoming terrible because of the awful things that happened to them can be a poignant story, but it shouldn’t be regarded as a COOL THING. a character in such a situation is not “becoming a badass”, they’re being BROKEN. it’s a sad thing. it’s not ‘awesome’.
i guess i just wished people would stop thinking that “being cruel” is the same thing as “being strong”. and i really wished series everywhere would stop sending that sort of message.
#i remember when in the S5 finale River made the Dalek beg her for mercy#and loads of people were like ‘how badass! best river moment ever’#and i just….#…no? that was horrifying?#back in S4 i was onboard doctor and river shipping#finding out in S5 that she was imprisoned for killing someone gave me pause#but that scene killed it (via surfingwavefunctions)
lolol when reading that one i instantly thought of your post!
I feel like we could do with one for the classic docs:
thank you! lol I would rather not have to do it but fandom gets so OTT with their elitism sometimes.
Some classic who fans have yet to realize that you catch more bees with honey than by kicking over the beehive.
i spent my first year in fandom drowned in d/r stuff and to this day i have yet to hear somebody refer to ten as ~~the second doctor~~.